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    Ethan Evans on Being Fired Twice and Becoming VP at Amazon

    2024-09-15

    Ethan Evans, former Amazon VP. Got fired twice from startups for being abrasive, then led 800+ engineers at Prime Video, Appstore, Prime Gaming.

    tldr

    • being "right" isn't enough - relationships and politics matter just as much (or more)
    • be "strategically annoying" - pushy but not abrasive, build allies instead of arguing
    • high-growth environments help your career ride an "escalator" upward
    • PIPs are usually doomed - once a manager decides to exit you, bias kicks in. job-hunt immediately
    • managers hold huge power in framing the same facts positively or negatively

    career arc

    • fired twice early (from startups) due to being confrontational despite strong technical skills
    • realized he was the common factor, dramatically improved soft skills
    • joined Amazon 2005 to work on streaming → Prime Video
    • rose senior manager → director → VP, eventually leading 800+ engineers
    • businesses: Amazon Appstore, Prime Gaming, Twitch integration

    promotions at amazon

    • director: took high-risk project that succeeded + politely pushed ("my career is important to me -if not to Amazon, I need to consider options")
    • VP: took years of alignment - "magic loop" with manager (I'll deliver what you need; you ensure I'm rewarded), lining up stakeholders, timing
    • advice: be politely pushy. quiet high-performers get overlooked when slots are limited

    bezos vs jassy

    • ~50 meetings with each
    • bezos (founder): inspiring, supportive, willing to take big gambles ("I might want to spend it all")
    • jassy (classic CEO): probing, held people accountable, less emotionally supportive - more "you're on the hook"

    performance management (brutal honesty)

    • stack ranking / "unregretted attrition" (4-7% forced exits yearly) exists in practice
    • managers can effectively fire almost anyone - preemptive storytelling to HR wins over employee's defense
    • HR doesn't protect employees - stacked toward managers
    • PIPs are usually doomed: once manager decides to exit you, bias kicks in. rarely recoverable
    • same facts can be framed as "upleveling team" or "nitpicking and low output"

    regrets & advice

    • didn't take enough risks earlier
    • wishes he'd built networks/visibility sooner
    • prioritize high-growth companies + soft skills/relationships early
    • get known (LinkedIn, etc)